“What I don’t understand is, if you know it’s better to be thin and you know how to become thin, why don’t you just do what you need to? I can’t understand fat people who are unhappy. You haven’t tried hard enough to be thin, it’s your fault.”—Overheard today, man talking to another man. It turned my fucking stomach.
“I didn’t learn until I was in college about all the other cultures, and I should have learned that in the first grade. A first grader should understand that his or her culture isn’t a rational invention; that there are thousands of other cultures and they all work pretty well; that all cultures function on faith rather than truth; that there are lots of alternatives to our own society. Cultural relativity is defensible and attractive. It’s also a source of hope. It means we don’t have to continue this way if we don’t like it.”—Kurt Vonnegut (via) (via mehreenkasana, therocktoyourbottom)
Being pro-choice doesn’t mean that you would necessarily get an abortion, that you would recommend one to a friend or that you think of it as a good solution.
All it is saying is that women should have the right to choose whether or not to get one.
Similarly, being pro-life isn’t just saying “I don’t want an abortion” or “I would never want anyone in my life to go through one”, it is saying, “No woman, ever, anywhere, should be able to choose to get one if she wanted to.”
If you do feel that way, you are intolerant. In effect, you are saying that you should be allowed to make a choice for your entire NATION of women. That anyone should have the right to make that decision for an entire nation of women.
And if that isn’t what you are saying, then you are not pro-life. You are pro-choice.
In effect, you are saying that you should be allowed to make a choice for your entire NATION of women.
I don’t think women should commit murder. I don’t think women should commit infanticide. Does that make me intolerant?
Honestly, I think you have good intentions, but if you argue that restricting the behaviour of others (especially when it concerns ending the life of a genetic human, arguably a form of murder) is always wrong… I don’t think I need to explain my reaction.
Being pro-choice doesn’t mean that you would necessarily kill a child, that you would recommend it to a friend or that you think of it as a good solution.
All it is saying is that women should have the right to choose whether or not to do so.
Because that’s so reasonable. I’ve said it before and I’ve said it again: the argument from choice is a nonsense one. As Janis Ian once said “There are two kinds of evil people. People who do evil stuff, and people who see evil stuff being done and don’t try to stop it”. Being intolerant of evil is the very basis of morality, so think twice before equating ‘intolerant’ with ‘wrong’. Tolerating evil, on the other hand, is as bad as evil itself.
So, whether you think abortion is evil or not, this argument for ‘tolerance’ is both illogical and useless. Replace it.
Replace it? That’s a little obnoxious, whether or not you agree with me. Then again, I’m not surprised that someone who thinks they should have autonomy over other people’s bodies also thinks they should have some say over their minds.
Your argument about choice only holds water if you see it as a fact that abortion is evil. I do not. In fact, that argument is misogynistic and forces women to see reproductive choice as some kind of sin. Quite simply put, it is not for anyone else to tell someone what to do with THEIR body. If people feel that an embryo constitutes a sentient being and they don’t feel comfortable aborting a pregnancy, that is up to them. I would be HORRIFIED at the idea of someone forcing a woman to abort a pregnancy (as happens in some countries where boys are favoured over girls and women are sometimes forced to abort female foetuses because having a girl is seen as “bad”).
That said, if a woman falls pregnant and does not want to have a baby, who are you to say she can’t have an abortion? No one is forcing you to be a part of it. It isn’t your baby, it isn’t your body.
The difference between pro life and pro choice is that being pro choice in NO WAY needs to affect the lives of people who don’t agree with abortion. No one is forcing you to get one. A pro life decision completely removes that freedom from people who disagree with you. That is arrogant, morally paternalistic and absolutely oppressive of women.
I don’t care what people’s personal opinion of abortion is. Get one, don’t get one. But don’t make that decision for other women under the construct of it being “evil”.
“In everyone’s life, at some time, our inner fire goes out. It is then burst into flame by an encounter with another human being. We should all be thankful for those people who rekindle the spirit.”—Albert Schweitzer (via girlwithoutwings)